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Big Story: Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex, Released and Reviewed

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Ubuntu 8.10 kicks off the new batch of Linux Distribution releases, how does it stack up? Read on…

When the very first version of Ubuntu shipped it was late October of 2004, and the release name was Warty Warthog, I was among the many that rushed to the mirrors to download this new version of the Linux Desktop. Since 2004 Ubuntu has been a Linux desktop trend setter, and it’s with that in mind that I look at the latest version of Ubuntu.

Each release of Ubuntu I spend some time talking about the brown theme, and I do so in the video below a bit more… So I’ll leave it at that, and not re-iterate those comments here.

Watch the video for some screen shots and a general overview of new features:

I’ll breakdown some of the key new features and talk about them. I’ll start with what I think might be the most significant work my way down. I’ll try and give each new major feature a grade, that will reflect its usefulness, and functionality.

The new Gnome 2.24 and a improved File Roller (the Archive manager)

At first I was more than ready to roll my eyes at a tabbed file manager being a major feature, after all with Firefox and every other browser on the planet, we are all kind of tab snobs now and it all seems like such old hat.

But then I stopped to think about it, and realized this is a VERY handy feature that most other

desktop file managers do not have… Oh sure KDE has had it for quite a while as well as a handful of other file managers on Linux, but Windows and OS X still do not. And after all does it matter if we already had it over here, but did not have it over there.. The most important thing is that we have it now! I have spoken with some developers on the Nautilus project and they told me that adding tabs was no easy task, it involved some major re-tooling at the core of the file manager and for a long time they were unsure if it would be worth the efforts.

Well I am very pleased we got this feature, my grade for tabbed nautilus file manager: A+

X.Org 7.4, X11 steps up it’s hot-plug support for display devices

I have been harder and harder on X.org lately. To make a long story short, I feel they are holding the Linux desktop back in some major ways. So any progress forward on multi-monitor support improvements or the ability to plug in projectors and have that project recognized immediately

with the correct resolution (just as OS X or Windows would).

X.org also handles input devices like your mouse and keyboard as well, so it’s critical that a Linux Desktop distribution has a fantastic implementation.

Now all that said, there are real disadvantages to living on the cutting edge of X.org, at the time of this writing the Nvidia and ATI binary (proprietary) drivers do not work with X.org 7.4, that means for many of us, no OpenGL acceleration and no Compiz support.

Now if this was 2006 or mid 2007 and we were looking at a distribution shipping that does not support those drivers, I’d look past it. But this is 2008, and desktop Linux is trying to complete in the same space as OS X and Windows Vista, both of which have accelerated video and utilize transparency with alpha channels to enable better usability.

The product managers at Apple and Microsoft would never even consider taking a “final” version of their operating system to management for approval with out those features, just like the vast majority of us they realize the important it is that users are able to take advantage of the most expensive component in their computer, their GPU. The lack of support for binary drivers is not Ubuntu’s fault, but it is going to be a deal killer for many.

The great improvements in X.org 7.4 with Hot Plug, and the new X safe mode are great, but the short-falls of no binary driver support are a killer. I have to believe that X.org could have worked more closely with Nvidia and ATI to prevent this, after all it would be in Nvidia and ATI’s best interest to do so.

I have high hopes that this is fixed very soon.

X.org 7.4 in Ubuntu 8.10 final grade: D-

NOTE: Sounds like updated drivers are already in the repo, this brings the final grade up to: A-
(more details at the bottom of the post)

DKMS, rebuild kernel modules automatically with kernel updates

DKMS stands for Dynamic Kernel Module Support, DKMS means it’s very easy to rebuild modules (such as drivers, or VMware hooks) as you upgrade kernels. This will allow Linux vendors to provide driver updates without having to wait for new kernel releases while also taking out the guesswork for customers attempting to recompile modules for new kernels.

I see no reason that this should not be HUGE, I want to see this in every distrobution going forward. The best part is that it is working, tested code. Dell (creators of DKMS) have been using

DKMS in house for several years. This is going to bridge that gap between the use of binary drivers and frequent kernel updates, and that is going to be BIG time handy.

Personal side note, members of my family have tried Linux on the desktop after having awful experiences with Windows, but kernel upgrades broke X11 for them too many times, and they gave up and bought a Mac… Needless to say I was very disappointed, my hope is that DKMS will prevent this kind of thing in the future.

DKMS included in the new Ubuntu 8.10 final grade: A+

Other minor features that I think are great, but overall I am not super stoked about:

  • Samba 3.2 (good improvements for large enterprise)
  • Network Manager 0.7 (improvements in 3G device support, have not tested yet)
  • Guest sessions (seems handy, but not something I’ll use)
  • Totem BBC plugin (Probably great for my friends across the pond)

Minor features in Ubuntu 8.10 final grade: B+

Final Grade Roundup:

Gnome 2.4 w/Tabbed File Browser A+
X.org 7.4 w/o Binary Drivers A–
DKMS Mojo for Modules A+
Other Minor Features B+

Overall Score



A


So is Ubuntu 8.10 once again a trend setter? Perhaps, I aruge maybe not what it once was, but it is still a very strong desktop offering. In the end though, thats up to you and everyone else to determine!

You can download Ubuntu 8.10 here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download

UPDATE: A new Nvidia driver (at the time of this writing) is reported to have early support for new X.org version in Ubuntu 8.10: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122139 and appear to have been included in the repository, still waiting for an official word on ATI drivers (I do not have an ATI card to test with).


October 29th, 2008  
Tags: 8.10, Ibex, Linux/OSS, Review, Ubuntu

  • Benjamin M. Strozykowski
    I am downloading the image now from the official torrent. I did not think about the fact that the proprietary drivers haven't caught up to the latest X.org version. I might just have to wait a bit before installing Ibex.
  • Klaus Doblmann
    Errr... at least for ATI cards proprietary fglrx-drivers are vailable for the new X.org 7.4 in the official repos. At least when I installed the RC they were there...

    Nonetheless: A great review!
  • amn
    Nice review. But please, the whole point of Ubuntu is to be free, proprietary drivers are not their problem, but it is up to you people who buy NVidia and ATI cards to push for open source drivers, so things like incompatibility between old binary blob drivers like these and latest X.org do not happen. I am not sure giving "D-" for this to Ubuntu drives any point across. You are pointing the finger in completely wrong direction. As far as I am concerned, the stricter Ubuntu is with the "free" philosophy, the more it prohibits things like closed source drivers nobody knows what do exactly, the better. My two cents.
  • Nathan R. Hale
    Great review. Thanks also for the vid!
  • Jack
    I was excited about the tabs in nautilus, but the implementation completely sucks. Whenever I open a tab there is no scrollbar on the first tab. This bug was reported in July (https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/251809)

    Additionally, the ubuntu 2.6.27 added support for gspca - but now my uvcvideo cam doesn't work (had to compile the driver by hand).

    Audacious won't play files from the browser.

    Suspend works half as well as in hardy.

    For all the crap you give Fedora when something doesn't work - I expect you guys to a little more harshing on ubuntu in your next show. This release was really subpar by their standards.
  • chris
    @amn

    As I pointed out in the review, Apple and MS could NEVER EVER release a product without 3D support. At the end of the day, Ubuntu is responsible for the product they put out.

    -Chris
  • Jen Smith
    Pretty nice review, extra points for no "fanboyism".

    8.10's actually running very nicely on my system, much better than 8.04, which I skipped because of some issues. Stuck with 7.10 until now.

    Just a couple notes.

    I'm using the nVidia 177.80 drivers direct from nVidia with 8.10 with zero issues, that includes all of Compiz in its full glory. NVNews.net has a few important tweak notes for the driver.

    The new implementation of the network manager irks me a little. I'm on a permanent wired network; I don't need to see a popup telling me that I connected every time I log in; but that's easily remedied by manually setting up my network and ditching the network manager entirely.
  • Pedro
    @amn, @Chris,

    I've just installed Intrepid 8.10 final release, it *has* the propietary nvidia drivers, and OpenGL/compiz fusion works like a charm!
    So, maybe you should update or add a note to your post..
    Which version were you testing? I can't find anything in your post saying that it's the Beta,RC or final release..

    Regards,
    Ped.
  • J_Pizzy
    I am a long time linux user and long time desktop linux h8tr. It has always been crap (apps sucked, never worked with drivers without heavy customizing etc etc).

    This release hits it on the head. My corp apps run 50% faster with 50% less cpu/mem. My wireless card works, browser works, vpn works etc etc. Didn't have to recompile Wonce.

    I am very very happy to say to the IBEX is the shit
  • Joseph Barr
    What about Printer compatibility ,is it still through CUPS ?
    or more compatible.This I believe the major stumbling block
    for wholesale acceptance of Printers, etc.
    J.Barr
  • eman
    you mean xorg not X.org right? they are different
  • Super Jamie
    I think you'll find the reluctance to improve video binary driver interoperability doesn't come from Xorg, but from the video card manufacturers.

    nVidia Tech Support have been nothing short of rude and ignorant in response to my queries about improving features of their driver blob.

    At least ATI open the specs of their discontinued and unsupported drivers, nVidia just leave former customers in the dark.

    But there's still a long way to go on both sides of the fence. The sooner we get open video drivers, the better.
  • Marty
    I had to miss 8.04 because a new computer I had built had not worked with the motherboard I bought. I had not researched prior because I had not even considered that. Anyway, the leap from 7.10 to 8.10 is amazing. I went from Vista to a fully set up (codecs, plugins, etc) Ubuntu system in a matter of an hour or so. The motherboard caused no issues, and as an added bonus the wifi adapter I had previously no longer required Windows drivers to work.

    I had an opportunity to try the wireless adapter previously on someone else's 8.04 machine and while it had worked, it only downloaded at a measly 10kbps on a cable broadband connection, so the drivers must have been new. This is very polished, very nice. Great job, Ubuntu team!
  • Rajiv Bajaj
    I have tried all the distributions. Different versions of Fedora, Open Suse, Ubuntu. Most of them worked well but there was some show stopper or the other.

    I finally installed Mandriva One 2009 and found that everything just worked. Yeah I had to add the easyurmpi repo and get vlc installed but after that everything just worked.

    I had had a bad experience with Ubuntu 8.04, Firefox would crash X every now and then randomly on my ATI RS200 chipset. Mandriva just seems stable out of the box and works beautifully. I love dolphin as a filemanager!

    Strongly recommend you give Mandriva One 2009 a try. It seems to work for me without doing any tweaking.

    Regards,

    Rajiv
  • Jim March
    Running an Intel 965 (x3100) video card on a Dell lappy, Intrepid is giving me better multi-monitor support than I have EVER had in Linux, period, end of discussion.

    I think Ubuntu was right to ship this combination. ATI and NVidia are going to catch up quickly; users with these cards should stand pat with Hardy (which isn't at all bad code) until new drivers for Xorg 7.4 ship. Intrepid shipping with 7.4 will light a fire under ATI and NVidia like nothing else could and the entire Linux community will be better off as the Xorg migration continues across other distros.
  • Greg W
    I put 8.10 on my wife's laptop (yes even has learned how to use ubuntu!) and I can confirm that the 3g wireless on it works amazingly well (I tried it with my Verizon wireless card and it was blazing fast and easy; I just plugged it in and it auto connected me to the 1XEVDO network)

    Also, Im surprised how you didnt mention the wireless and UDF 2.5 support in 8.10 (mostly because of 2.6.27) the wireless is ALOT faster and easier to setup.
    I remember when Hardy came out there were some issues setting up the wireless and getting it to connect at 54mpbs (for wireless-g). I had no issues whatsoever with 8.10 (ive had it on her laptop since it was in beta), in fact it detected the Broadcom card in her laptop and immediately started working.
    Also, UDF 2.5 is supposed to be supported by the new kernel (while I havent tested it out on our media system; it does make me a little eager to upgrade it from 8.04 to 8.10) which I might do sometime next week after everyone quits hitting the servers this week. :)

    just my thoughts.
  • Anshul
    DKMS has been around for ages on Mandriva, RedHat, Fedora etc...Ubuntu is late in the game for it. An extremely useful addition though
  • zac
    Good review. No big changes (relatively), a nice release. Linux is a work in progress across the board and Ubuntu is coming along nicely. Everyone would like big advances but in practice it's difficult to do even with Microsoft's billions. A happy Ubuntu user for 2 years now.
  • Dirk Vranckaert
    For the first time since I use Ubuntu (I'm on Ubuntu since Dapper Drake) I am able to set up a Dual Screen configuration with my laptop and my external monitor. However this only works when not installing fglrx drivers and when Compiz is completely disable.
    Too bad that I cannot use Compiz but altough I'm prety happy I can finally use that monitor in a big desktop setup and not mirrored.
  • VK
    Many thanks for the great review.

    The second picture show a very different desktop with added widgets. It looks really cool! How did you get to that?
  • ikkefc3
    3D works on most ATi Cards with the provided opensource driver and there is already a verson of fglrx (ATi's binary driver) that works with Xorg 7.4.
    nVidia also has the 177.80 driver which brings a lot of performance improvements: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?...
  • devgit
    Alberto Milone says at:-

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidi...

    I warmly recommend you to wait for my new packages since the NVIDIA installer may break symlinks of the official packages and therefore cause problems if you decide to go back to the packages provided by Ubuntu (this is something I would like to solve together with NVIDIA).

    I'll make sure that the new packages are made available in the -proposed repositories ASAP.
  • Benjamin M. Strozykowski
    I guess I know what I'm doing tonight! I'm glad the nvidia drivers are in there.
  • Westport Nyc
    Hopefully I.Ibex will restore support for em2800-based Usb tv tuners. Mine has stubbornly remained broken, despite trying a variety of fixes, since I said Ok to a "Updates available" panel icon that upgraded the kernel. And if the the Dkms module updates can be coordinated in the repositories with the kernel upgrades, these "upgrade" downgrades will be a thing of the past.

    Nice review Chris, thanks.
  • Mark
    What are you talking about with drivers? I have a super linux unfriendly laptop (broadcom and everything...), and I have been using Ibex since like alpha 2 or 3...and my nvidia card has worked out of the box with 0 config or problems...full compiz, 3d, everything. Just like Hardy. What kind of garbage are you spewing?
  • Midla
    I've downloaded it yesterday but couldn't really decide whether or not to install this new version but after reading your review I think I will.
  • John Griffiths
    i've been running the ibex beta for about 2 weeks as my laptop's default distro and i have to say i'm impressed.

    just updated to the final.

    I love the new usabiliy tweaks they've done to make this 8.10 more usable and less geeky, plus the tabs are a major plus!

    i think all the extra bits they've done are worth it, great work and glad to see we've got the update vlc player, etc.

    i moved away from my mac just because things like mysql, etc. were buggy and difficult to setup on osx leopard but one-shot-easy on linux.

    that said if my girlfriend buys me one of those macbook's i'll be back to it and textmate.

    great stuff and well worth it.

    full 64-bit support (apart from flash 10) and a very easy on the memory release.

    love it!
  • Chris
    LOL @ how he uses the condenser mic in the video... You're supposed to talk into the SIDE of one of those things, not the end.
  • Vadim P.
    I've re-installed Ubuntu to get the full harddrive encryption on (interestingly enough, it feels faster now. Probably because of the upgrade, but I'm glad I didn't lose any speed) and upgrade.

    Everything works great on the system76 serval
  • chris
    @Chris - It's a Heil PR-40 with the fire end on the top. And it's a Dynamic mic, not a Condenser.

    http://www.heilsound.com/pro/products/pr40/

    Thanks tho...
    -Chris
  • Bing
    Nice review. 8.10 works nicely for me, with compiz (ATI Radeon, Lenovo Thinkpad T60) in all its glory and everything. However, it has the same problem that any Linux I tried so far had... I cannot get multi-monitor setup with different resolutions to work like it should. For me, this is the real deal breaker... I would be more than happy to ditch Windows and assign it a small corner in a virtual machine for some apps I cannot live without, but this would get me stuck with severe usability limitations. I cannot imagine working with a single monitor anymore, and it is actually quite dumb considering today's prices of high quality monitors and advantages multiple monitors provide.

    So, unfortunately, it seems that Linux (Ubuntu) will continue to remain a plaything installed as a dual boot, so that I can play with it every now and then. What a shame.

    -Bing-
  • tinge
    Hey, great review - straightforward & honest, something that is a little lacking in the community. I've been running Ibex for a week or so now, and am generally happy.

    Quick/simple question: what is the sort of "desklets" app present in the second screenshot you have here?
    Thanks!
  • Anthony Hamilton-Thompson
    @Rajiv Bajaj

    The lock ups you had with the RS200 chipset was down to the Wireless card built into the Laptop. I have a laptop based on the RS200 chipset and it came down to the Wireless card and the Kernel, the problem was temporary solved by using a real-time based kernels in the Ubuntu repos. I'm not sure if this problem was resolved in 8.10 since I no longer have the laptop any more. Hope this helps.
  • grep65535
    At the comment about MS/Apple not "EVER EVER" releasing something without 3D support:

    Typically this 3D support via the binaries from nvidia/ati release in the updates shortly (within like a week or 2) of the release anyway. It's typically a matter of timing between projects and their releases. Ubuntu has their schedule, they stick to it. Not as much can be said about Apple/MS. If Apple/MS were to release something before it were finished completely, but would be ON SCHEDULE, and it were free, and they notified people of the fact that the support will come soon in updates....I wouldn't complain. It's better than being 1-50 months late on release.

    At least I can use the other technologies now. MS/Apple don't have *as much* flexibility with that because they're not free. But gamers are not their *only* market. Other markets typically don't even know what 3D support is in their offices.

    Yes it's an issue, but it's not such as huge issue as you make it out to be in the article. I enjoyed your review, but I disagree with the do or die emphasis on 3D support. I and many others like me prefer to have a release out on time, and not let something 2-3 clicks can fix delay their ability to be punctual. It's actually quite refreshing to people coming from the MS/Apple scene, given that a new release every 6 months not only is NOT a requirement to upgrade to in order to experience the latest and greatest, it's also not the end of the world, or a deal breaker to have to wait a few days to get 3D support in routine updates.

    This is not a new issue, it's happened in many *Linux* releases before with other distros. And it's not a problem to people who take their time and adopt the newest release a few weeks after it's out simply because they're busy and not glued to the computer trying to be the first to DL it.

    If you refer to Ubuntu, or Linux for that matter, as if it were another flavor of Windows, then yes, I understand, they need to get their act together. But they are different products in almost every way. Apple and Microsoft both control their desktop environments and window managers and ALL other components of their respective OS's, and they manage everything under their control to release at exactly the same time. Linux is by nature modular in ownership and is therefore very different. Release schedules don't coincide most of the time, they even had Firefox beta in the last Ubuntu because of this reason. But that doesn't mean it doesn't work or deserves to be dropped to a D- all the way from an A. That's just the nature of the system itself. The consumer isn't losing out because the 199$ they pay for Ubuntu doesn't exist, it's free. Gift horse in the mouth and all that.

    What do you do when you first install Windows? Update it. Mac OSX? Update it. Any *nix distro? Update it. In a few weeks it won't be any different to anyone. Don't mark down a perfectly usable distribution of an OS just because of something that's not really under their control anyway doesn't meet the expectations of impatient people right away. They could very well have delayed the release until support was integrated, but they rolled right over that concern, rightfully so, because updates will take care of it and life will go on.
  • Howard
    Nice review. I especially like the video.

    Now, here's why I *won't* be using Intrepid, but will stick with Hardy:

    * I don't want to change my entire OS every six months. First, it's a pain backing everything up. Second I just upgraded to Hardy (from Gutsy) a couple of months ago, and am finally getting it set up the way I want.

    * Unless I suddenly get really ticked off at the bugs in Hardy (network-manager connection issues, PulseAudio with Flash issues), Hardy is stable enough.

    * You never install a new Ubuntu release right away. It's best to wait a month or so to let the (new) bugs get resolved.

    * I'm sorry, but for me there's nothing so compelling in Intrepid. Ubuntu has been taking (well-deserved) credit for making a great platform, but let's be honest, most of the advances have come from the larger Linux community: Compiz and PulseAudio are from RedHat, much of the rest comes straight out of the GNOME project, or from Debian. Ubuntu isn't so much a platform for innovation, as a platform of integration - a job they seem to be doing somewhat poorly considering how poorly both Compiz (in Gutsy) and PulseAudio (in Hardy) were initially 'integrated' into the system. I think that Ubuntu needs to watch themselves. Android will put Linux in front of way more eyes than Ubuntu ever could, and could possibly disrupt (hopefully in a positive way) the entire landscape of Linux desktop distributions.
  • Dreamlinux User
    I agree with Howard. These reviews always get hit with comments by seasoned Ubuntu users who turn a blind eye to the things that Ubuntu is NOT.

    Ubuntu just adds features which other distros already had/have.

    I downloaded, I tested, I said "meh", I replaced it with Mandriva.

    Ubuntu is great for Linux promotion, but it is not great.

    Dreamlinux is gonna be great, it's real Debian with style. Fast as well. I swapped to Dreamlinux from Ubuntu as Ubuntu has become bloated and slow.

    If most Ubuntu users took the time to test other distros such as Mandriva, Knoppix, Dreamlinux, they would realise that Ubuntu really is just a Brown Gnome desktop on top of Debian.

    Chris
  • Sathya
    Nice review Chris! Stumbled!
  • Vadim P.
    I've checked out other distros, they failed to work in some things, have a smaller support community, and aren't as well recognised. I see no need to make the switch.
  • Karthik Ramgopal
    ATI has released a special beta driver just for canonical that has Xorg 7.4 support.
  • grep65535
    @Howard:
    why don't you use separate partitions so that reinstalling the OS part doesn't mean backing anything up. I've been doing it for years, and even across distros. Yea there's a little tiny bit of maintenance, but nothing as tedious as backing up and restoring.
  • Howard
    @grep65535: Thanks for that bit of advice :)

    I use the Alternate Install CD to install an encrypted root system, so ... I mean it *is* possible to keep my home directory on a separate and encrypted partition - but I'm not sure it's worth the bother. Still ... thanks for the idea.

    I'm still not convinced I'd ever want to do a complete OS update every 6 months anyhow. I mean, isn't that a bit excessive? Once a year I think is good enough for me.
  • JeanJean
    Hello, I want to say that ubuntu 8.10 DON'T WORK WITH intel graphice card !!!!! obliged to rest with 8.04! and wait for newer version like 8.10.1 to fix that probleme I hope! or wait 9.04 in six month :((.

    IN terminal (under ubuntu 8.04) : lspci , give me
    VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)

    WHAT THE MATTERS whith this version 8.10

    bye
  • Sean
    Anyone know what Chris is using for the widgets in this picture:

    http://bin-false.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10...

    ?

    The program he is using I mean ?
  • Baba Lafayette
    Kind Sir,
    I am a hardy heron user - and somehow my new Dell Studio Laptop can not give me a resolution more than 800x600 Following in my config - Intel 965GM chipset and Intel X3100 GMA .. ? Wud shifting to 8.10 improve my chances? I have read that the problem still remains.. do u think it will improve any sooner?
  • chris
    @Baba Lafayette

    Not sure.. But upgrading would be worth a shot. The new ubuntu includes a new kernel which = new drivers. And it includes a new X server, which has better hardware support.

    let us know!
    -Chris
  • Pablo Marchant
    I've been using intrepid since alpha 4, and I've never had problems with the nvidia drivers....
  • Maox
    Great article, but dude.. What's with the layout? It makes my eyes bleed. And you should really proof-read your material before publishing it.
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